Re: [syndication] Google News RSS

[Dror Matalon <dror@zapatec.com>]

On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 12:36:10PM -0500, Dave Winer wrote:
> Isn't it a bit ironic that Google News, which is itself a scraped service,
> is protecting itself from scrapers?

It's a little bit of a gray area. Historically it's been easy for web
sites to stop google from spidering them by using robots.txt. Obviously
they wouldn't want to do that, and google is leveraging that to do its
news scraping. It is somewhat hypocritical for google to now send email
to people asking them to stop doing the same. I guess if the NY times
sends a cease and desist letter to google, they'll stop scraping.

> 
> That said, others are putting ads in their RSS feeds, so why can't Goog?

Good point. Can you point to feeds that have ads in them? 

Regards,

Dror

> 
> Dave
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dror Matalon" <dror@zapatec.com>
> To: <syndication@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndication] Google News RSS
> 
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> > Julian,
> >
> > While I understand the frustration you need to keep an important point
> > in mind.
> > How is google going to make money if they provide the search results in
> > RSS? Remember the publishers are happy to provide RSS feeds, so that you
> > come to their web page and read the articles and expose you to ads.
> > Google's search results are the information they "publish." if they give
> > them away for free, they lost their only revenue model. Ain't going to
> > happen.
> >
> > I'm not sure why the care about news.google.com seeing that they don't
> > advertise there, but it could be either a matter of principal or they
> > want to advertise at some point and don't want to have to chase everyone
> > then.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dror
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 05:54:16PM +0100, Julian Bond wrote:
> > > Well I finally got the Cease and Desist email from Google for scraping
> > > Google news and then posting the results on a web site. So I guess I'll
> > > have to take those feeds down and convert them to use Yahoo! News
> > > search.
> > >
> > > I figure that using Gnews2rss[1] to feed into a personal aggregator is
> > > not going to worry them too much. The problem seems to be posting the
> > > results to a public website. If you do use gnews2rss, please host it
> > > yourself.
> > >
> > > I shouldn't really complain as I'm fairly clearly breaking their terms.
> > > However, I'm getting increasingly fed up that they don't have an XML
> > > (RSS or Atom) output from their search results. It's also become pretty
> > > disappointing that their SOAP API still only covers the main search
> > > engine and hasn't been extended to support the other parts of Google.
> > >
> > > So can I recommend an email writing campaign to ask for RSS/Atom from
> > > the Search functions. news-feedback@google.com The odd high profile blog
> > > might not go amiss either.
> > >
> > > rgds
> > > JB
> > >
> > > Here's the form email:-
> > > --------------------------
> > > Dear Webmaster,
> > >
> > > We recently became aware that your site offers a Google News feed to the
> > > public.
> > >
> > > We appreciate your interest in Google News, but we do not currently
> > > permit the creation of a news feed from the results on Google News, nor
> > > do we permit webmasters to display Google News headlines on their sites.
> > > We provide a means for monitoring Google News searches through Google
> > > News Alerts at: http://www.google.com/newsalerts and encourage you to
> > > use this service instead.
> > >
> > > For more information about acceptable uses of Google News, please see
> > > our Terms of Use at
> > > http://news.google.com/intl/en_us/terms_google_news.html .
> > >
> > > If you'd like to incorporate Google News search results into your site,
> > > we ask that you do so by creating a link to the Google News main page or
> > > Google News search results. Please feel free to use any of our Google
> > > logos found at http://www.google.com/stickers.html .
> > >
> > > As always, your feedback and comments are very important to us. Please
> > > let us know if you have any questions or concerns.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > The Google Team
> > > --------------------------
> > >
> > > [1] http://www.voidstar.com/gnews2rss.php
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