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RE: [syndication] ICE 1.1 released, and ICE/RSS discussions
I would certainly be happy to join any discussion of ICE/RSS.
I will be at XML-Devcon in New York next week, will anyone be there?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laird Popkin [mailto:laird.popkin@sothebys.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 1:16 AM
> To: syndication@egroups.com
> Subject: [syndication] ICE 1.1 released, and ICE/RSS discussions
>
>
> First, I'd like to let folks know that the ICE 1.1 spec is out at
> http://www.icestandard.org.
>
> Here's the press release: http://www.icestandard.org/releases.asp.
> The
> first few paragraphs are:
>
> ------
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT PETE JANHUNEN
> 13 JUNE 2000 703/519-8190, pjanhunen@gca.org
>
> ICE Version 1.1 Hits the Street
>
> Breakthrough enhancements to standard for digital asset exchange
> released at XML Europe 2000
>
> PARIS (XML Europe, 13 June 2000) -- The Information and Content
> Exchange (ICE) Authoring Group has released ICE Version 1.1, adding
> tremendous capabilities to this already powerful digital asset
> exchange
> standard. Version 1.1 is now available on the ICE web site,
> www.icestandard.org.
>
> The ICE standard, an initiative hosted by IDEAlliance, reduces the
> cost
> of doing business online and increases the value of B2B
> relationships.
> ICE facilitates the controlled exchange and management of electronic
> assets between networked partners and affiliates. Applications based
> on
> ICE allow companies to easily construct syndicated publishing
> networks,
> Web superstores, and online reseller channels by establishing Web
> site-
> to-Web site information networks.
>
> "Thousands of companies are using ICE-based products from vendors
> such
> as Arcadia, Intershop, Kinecta, Macromedia, Quark, Vignette and
> Xenosys," commented ICE Working Group chair Laird Popkin of
> Sotheby's.
> "The work we've done to improve the standard will make it easier to
> automate even more tasks and will help knit the digital economy more
> tightly together."
>
> ------
>
> Here's the spec: http://www.icestandard.org/spec/SPEC-ICE1.01-
> 20000511.html.
>
> Now, to reply to Dave Winer's message:
>
> --- In syndication@egroups.com, "Dave Winer" <dave@u...> wrote:
> > Boy there would be some intense politics at that particular
> meeting. ;->
>
> I'm not clear why you think so. The ICE Authoring Group has been
> notably free of politics, which is (IMO) pretty darned cool for a
> group
> containing some pretty direct competitors (at various times): News
> Corp
> and Tribune, Microsoft and Sun, Vignette and Shiftkey, Reuters and
> WAVO, ... you get the idea. And (speaking informally) the AG members
> agree with the sentiment on this list (and your previous emails) that
> it's worth exploring a common standard in this space.
>
> > I'm still pondering how to move RSS forward. I definitely want
> ICE-like
> > stuff in RSS2, publish and subscribe is at the top of my list, but
> I am
> > going to fight tooth and nail for simplicity. I love optional
> elements. I
> > don't want to go down the namespaces and schema road, or try to
> make it a
> > dialect of RDF. I understand other people want to do this, and
> therefore I
> > guess we're going to get a fork. I have my own opinion about where
> the other
> > fork will lead, but I'll keep those to myself for the moment at
> least.
>
> Again, I'm not sure what you're referring to here. ICE doesn't use
> XML
> Namespaces or XML Schema, and isn't a dialect of RDF. Or are you
> referring to competing design philosophies within the people involved
> in RSS? The ICE AG decided two years ago not to take the RDF path,
> for
> example, so it sounds like we've got similar design philosophies.
>
> Given that ICE has been in production for quite a while, and does
> many
> of the things that people have mentioned wanting to see in RSS, it's
> certainly worth getting together to discuss whether we can work
> together. I don't know what the answer is, but I think that it's
> productive for the industry to at least have the conversation.
>
> > I see the biggest value in the large base of RSS 0.91 content, my
> goal is to
> > add simple features to enable new applications, giving each a lot of
> > thought, and foremost to retain the simplicity of 0.91. I guess I
> can't say
> > that enough. ;->
> >
> > Dave
>
> There's certainly a lot of value in the installed bases of both
> standards. There are thousands of companies running ICE, and anything
> that would affect them is not to be taken lightly, but at the same
> time
> the potential migration costs for all involved would be that much
> higher a year from now. I'd hope, however, that potential migration
> costs don't overshadow the potential value of avoiding significant
> duplicated efforts in the long run. And, if we're clever, we may be
> able to minimize such impact.
>
> In moving to take the next step (setting up the conversation about
> the
> relationship between ICE and RSS), I'm not sure who the ICE AG should
> have the conversation with. The only formally defined author is Dave
> Winer (there's no standards body for RSS, and it's copyrighted solely
> by Userland) I guess I'd have to ask this list who appropriate
> representatives of the RSS user/implementor community would be.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Laird A Popkin" <laird@i...>
> > To: "Dave Winer" <dave@u...>
> > Cc: <xml-dev@x...>; "Xml-Rpc@E..." <xml-rpc@egroups.com>;
> > <xml-dist-app@w...>; <fork@x...>
> > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 8:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: RSS 0.91 restated
> >
> >
> > > Once 0.91 is "pushed out the door" I'd suggest that we have a good
> > > opportunity to explore merging RSS and ICE. I'd suggest setting
> up a
> > > meeting between some of the ICE AG members and some of the folks
> involved
> > > in RSS to see how things could play together to our mutual
> benefit.
>
>
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