RE: [syndication] Re: New poll for syndication

["Paulo Gaspar" <Paulo.Gaspar@krankikom.de>]

What kind of argument is this Dave?
Is this mailing list private to some audience?

I do not agree with the RSS-RDF thing at all, mostly because of the
same motives you have been pointing out.

One of the things I disliked was the way that the "RSS 1" authors
arrogantly dismissed any remarks with a "those issues have been
considered" that roughly translates has "we know better what is best
for you".

Your answer to Aaron's posting doesn't get much better than that.


You made a clear insinuation. It is just natural that he replied.

Besides, I see nothing wrong with his "defense" since his posting
even encourages work and discussion. And Aaron has been the most
open and non-unconditional defender of the RSS-RDF thing.

I argued several times against Aaron's POVs on this issue (as he did
against mine) an I never noticed Aaron cutting anyone's speech - not
even with the above mentioned "those issues have been considered".


Now, again, he is not cutting anyone's speech or point of view. He
does not agree with you and - being this a public forum in which he
participates - he replies without trying to cut your argumentation
or telling you to shut up.

But you are telling him to shut up. (Or doesn't "stop interfering"
translate that way?)


The game is not turf split like "RSS-DEV is for the RDF guys and
Syndication is for the 0.9x ones". You can post in RSS-DEV and make
their life harder (and more constructive) there by defending your
ideas if you want.

So can Aaron defend his ideas here.


These are public forums. When you post, everybody can read and reply.
That is the wonderful thing about these mailing lists.

I thought you liked that.


I hope we keep having room in this list for both Dave Winer's and
Aaron Swartz's point of views.


Relax and have fun,

Paulo Gaspar


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@userland.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 15:20
> To: syndication@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [syndication] Re: New poll for syndication
>
>
> Aaron for the 3rd time, you got what you want, I wasn't talking to you, so
> please stop interfering. Damn, some people have to win every
> thing. No room
> for other points of view. This totally sucks. Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron Swartz" <aswartz@swartzfam.com>
> To: <syndication@egroups.com>
> Cc: <rss-dev@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:11 PM
> Subject: [syndication] Re: New poll for syndication
>
>
> > Dave Winer <dave@userland.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe some people don't want to contribute to standards,
> maybe they just
> > > want to get more hits for their sites. I think we should start a new
> mail
> > > list with a charter that puts the focus on use of this stuff, not on a
> > > standards process.
> >
> > I'm not clear what you mean by this Dave -- RSS-DEV has been recently
> > criticized for having a _lack_ of a standards process. It's not a
> political
> > body, and there was no political discussion until you got
> involved. While
> my
> > personal goal is not to get more hits for my sites, it is also not to
> spend
> > time in committees arguing over technical details.
> >
> > Personally, my goal is to make the Web even cooler than it is already.
> > Whether that is done through a format decided by me, you, O'Reilly, or
> Bill
> > Gates makes little difference. All I'd like, is for that format
> to exist,
> > and for people to use it. I joined up with the RSS-DEV list because I
> think
> > that they might likely make that happen. But if you start a new
> list, I'll
> > join up with it too, and likely do my best to help it move along.
> >
> > What I'd like more than anything is for cool things to start happening.
> They
> > won't happen by standing still, and they won't happen by fighting. They
> will
> > happen by moving: running, jumping, writing, coding, discussing, arguing
> and
> > thinking. That's all: I just want things to happen, what they're called
> and
> > who does them makes little difference to me.
> >
> > --
> >         Aaron Swartz         |"This information is top security.
> > <http://swartzfam.com/aaron/>|     When you have read it, destroy
> yourself."
> >   <http://www.theinfo.org/>  |             - Marshall McLuhan
> >
> >
> >
> >
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